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Atheist Churches: Interesting Concept[edit]

It would be tricky to gain recognition though. I do like the "Sunday Assembly" organization which gives a church-like environment without God. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 21:02, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Is it necessary? Do people really need to go to a weekly public speaking event that much? I recommend doing other social events instead. My go-to is D&D. MirrorIrorriM (talk) 21:08, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
heres the problem for atheists who have come to that position after years with a community where much is centred around the church. unless you've been slowly disengaging over a long period, or were never engaged with it in the first place, then you likely a have something of a vacuum after suddenly cut off from the that community, maybe friends and family, no longer strengthening bonds via shared activity in your church. you don't needed to b4 ostracised from all that to feel its loss and miss what comforts it might have provided.
If there is some kind of humanist organisation in your locale? or the sunday service thing if that appeals. whatever works for you. that's the benefit of atheism. there is no one thing you must be doing. volunteering or charity work of some kind if that's the kind of validation you require. or go where your own passions take you.
personally, I tend to avoid anything that reproduces the trappings of the religion repackaged, and I try to avoid any kind of dogmatism. but that's me - I haven't been to church since I was four.
but as I said - whatever works for you. I have faith you wont replace religion with some kind of atheist death cult or secular Nazis. i'll tut disapprovingly if you do. AMassiveGay (talk) 21:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
No intention of joining some evil atheist nazi communist liberal death cult. XD. I kinda like the idea of starting a secular humanist group in my area which has a tiny population. That is what the internet is for, start a virtual group that is a evil death cult bent on world domination --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 00:46, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
It's a brilliant idea. Have an 8:00 AM gathering to play miniature golf, than go out to brunch at a coffee shop. nobsFree Roger Stone! 04:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
if you like mini golf and coffee, fill your boots. beats the shit out of sunday school. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:02, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

RZ94's joke Evil Atheist Death Cult[edit]

Goals:

  • Make people drink the Kool-Aide
  • Turn kids gay or trans
  • Hot Gay Sex
  • Golf on Sunday's
  • Free ice cream for all
  • Burn Bibles and other sacred religious texts
  • Beating up ministers
  • Promote Evolutionism
  • Create Communists
  • Turn people into Atheists through extreme propaganda and "reeducation"

Perfect for a death cult! --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 15:52, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Found some tracts[edit]

Chick Tract Stash.jpg

I was going through some boxes in the basement and came across a stash of Chick tracts untouched for 25 years or so. I've been collecting these nasty little fundamentalist comics for years, and am perversely thrilled when I find them in the wild. I think I have my whole collection in one place now. My favorite in this bunch is "Bewitched?" where the girl takes LSD, has a flashback and sees her face melting off, keels over, and is taken away in an ambulance to her doom. These things are great entertainment and good insight into the extremist mindset. Cosmikdebris (talk) 03:23, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

ive only ever seen one in the wild and it was disappointingly mundane. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Hey, you got the one with Harold P. Penisman. 2A02:1812:2C66:D000:E91A:43:3D6A:5CE (talk) 13:53, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
I wonder what they'd bring on the Antique Roadshow. nobsFree Roger Stone! 16:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Probably very little for most. They're still in print AFAIK. Smerdis of Tlön, wekʷōm teḱsos. 20:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
They're still worth what you paid for them… 0. They're printed by the gorillions gazillions and still available for order by the bucket box. There was only one(?) title that was removed from printing — that one could be worth something if you could find the right mark buyer. They're all online though, including that one, so why bother? Saw one in a laundromat once… it was fuckin' offensive. Glad I could wash myself clean afterwards. Bongolian (talk) 04:00, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
"The Last Generation," featuring the aforementioned Harold P. Penisman, is over-the-top crazy. A former coworker who was involved with a local megachurch was spreading that crap around the neighborhood. I don't think they ever actually read the damn things. Cosmikdebris (talk) 04:43, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, that's right. "The Last Generation" is reproduced online here:[1] Boolean Union has a bunch of alien autopsy 'dissected' Chick tracts here:[2] Bongolian (talk) 07:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Actually, The Last Generation was reworked/reworded when the original became (too) dated, but that just resulted in an even more incoherent clusterfuck of nonsensical, dystopian conspiracy and fear mongering. The original was vintage Chick, fear mongering about the horrors of New Age stuff, whereas the rewritten version descended into weird non sequiturs, 1990s conspiracy theories and outright word salad. ScepticWombat (talk) 23:34, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Today is my 26th birthday![edit]

Got a free birthday pizza from a pizza place in town! Ham and pepperoni. Yum. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 15:54, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Happy birthday! Hope you have a good one. MirrorIrorriM (talk) 16:17, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Happy Birthday. I really hope you are able to enjoy it in the middle of the lockdown.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 17:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
See my suggestion above for a different birthday. Anna Livia (talk) 17:36, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
I never had birthday parties to be honest. Combination of little money and social anxiety from Autism. My entire life. Just me and my family. Having a good time. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 19:10, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

An excuse for doing/acquiring something you really want/enjoy (but within your budget, sufficiently safe and legal). Anna Livia (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

I hope your bday was great. Happy Birthday! St.~Emi (talk) 22:12, 30 March 2020 (UTC)St.~Emi
Had a good birthday. Had my free pizza, played cards with my family and played hours of video games i.e Minecraft. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 01:04, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Happy birthday, my guy. But criminey, put a vegetable on that pizza next time! Gol Sarnitt (talk) 01:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Are dinosaurs reptiles?[edit]

If they are, does that mean birds are reptiles too?—Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 07:05, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Depends on whether you define "reptiles" as a clade (a group containing an ancestor and all of its descendants). The "traditional" definition is paraphyletic because it excludes birds. That's because those traditional definitions predate evolutionary theory, let alone modern genetics; early taxonomists defined "reptiles" as basically "scaly animals". Modern taxonomists generally finesse the issue by just using Sauropsida when they want to talk about clades. That's also why birds "are now dinosaurs". If "dinosaur" is a clade, it includes all birds, since they're descended from the same common ancestor. (Cool fact: the closest living relatives of birds are crocodilians.) This wasn't firmly established until a few decades ago. But of course "dinosaur" originally meant "these funky ancient animals that are all dead now", and that's what it still means in the common imagination, often including things like pterosaurs that aren't considered dinosaurs anymore. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 07:23, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
We've known birds were sauropsids for a while now, it used to be thought that birds actually descended from crurotarsans, ie the crocodile lineage. Oxyaena Harass 09:03, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Dinosaurs were not reptiles. They were dinosaurs. They were descended from reptiles - but if you go back far enough so were mammals. But that does not meen that mammals are reptiles.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 10:49, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
@Bob M Linnean taxonomy is outdated, in the cladistic sense birds are reptiles, and mammals never descended from reptiles, synapsids are not reptiles. Oxyaena Harass 13:51, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
What were the dinosaurs' equivalent of 'reptilians'? Anna Livia (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
What do you mean?--Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 16:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Probably the alien dinosaurs what which transmitted their consciousness from the moon. I still think the asteroid was a big hologram, maybe it was a malfunction, maybe it was a reset button so the alien dinosaurs could buy new skins, I don't know, I'm not a biologist but I've seen the Mario Bros movie. Call up David Icke if you want to investigate that further. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 00:48, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

New editor (but experienced Wikipedian) here to build up a new Draft:Indian right-wing glossary[edit]

Hello all, glad to join you here. Some folks on Reddit have been trying to draw attention to the growing issue of Indian right-wing extremists acting like jerks in corners of the platform, and we noted that it's kinda hard to get Big Reddit to take those subreddits' Terms of Service violations seriously (calls for violence, demonizing minorities, etc), because a lot of it is couched in slang/jargon of the Indian Right that's obvious to folks that know it but opaque to foreign outsiders.

Like if a sub has a bunch of "1488" and "Oy vey it's anuddah Shoah!" jokes, Reddit Admins recognize that as /pol/ nasty little Nazi stuff and can ban subs that get out of line, but not so much with its Indian equivalent. So some of us decided to make a glossary here on RW to compile this stuff, maybe get some tech bloggers interested in the issue, and at least serve as a resource for awareness of extremism.

Just my little intro, looking forward to being a useful contributor here! TapTheForwardAssist (talk) 08:20, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi and welcome. You might want to have a read of this before you do too much work so that you know you are going in the right direction.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 10:57, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is the entry-point of choice for most parts of the wiki-verse - one just has to learn local conventions and 'technicalities of choice.' Anna Livia (talk) 15:54, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Welcome @TapTheForwardAssist, hope you have a good time editing here. (Fun note: You can use files uploaded on the Wikimedia Commons on our project without extra uploading and work.)-NavigatorBR (Talk) - 20:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

The Anglo Saxon mission and COVID-19[edit]

Okay so a friend of mine passed me this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB_LSoC5akQ

It´s Spanish sub, but this is a British guy called Bill Ryan.

Basically this guy talks about a developed, flu-like virus that they were going to deploy in China and shit, but this was in 2010 so now apparently everyone are like: "Uuuuh, damn this guy predicted the Coronavirus like he´s the fucking Simpsons, uuuh!"

I was suspicious so I tried to search for him in this site but there´s nothing. Who the fuck is this guy?

Here´s a summary if you don´t wanna watch a 50 minute tirade (Spanish sub again): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdkXHcOuiqU

Blaze_Zero85.58.203.69 (talk) 15:23, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

a flu like virus coming out of china isn't really a prediction its whats people have been saying for ages and even then what people have been saying is no more a prediction saying 'we will have some weather one day' - yes we will, we already know. china is apparently particularly susceptible to this stuff - people living in close proximity to animals on a farms and the like, coupled with massive population china makes it just more likely zoonotic disease to spread to humans. and live animal markets are a big deal in china, I read.
and if by developed they mean created in a lab, then they didn't predict shit.
disclaimr: in light of the racist tendency to lay blame for diseases at the foot of peoples and/or specific countries, this corona thing being no exception, ive the seen the above claimed, ie china being of particular risk, so often now that I am assuming its non controversial, but I dunno how much truth is actually in these claims AMassiveGay (talk) 13:20, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I don't trust the Chinese government. I am not blaming civilians or Chinese-Americans. I honestly would not put it past the Chinese government to release a virus intentionally. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 13:39, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
to what end was releasing a virus in one their own cities? why were they then so slow taking appropriate action if it were they who released it? the economic fall out is going to hit china as much as the rest of the world, if is meant to harm the us in some way, the us had plenty of warning, had plenty of time to prepare, and the experiences of other countries successfully containing the virus as model for a plan of action. it would require predicting trump to have fucked up the handling of this to the level that he has, that I don't think it was even possible to have predicted he has reacted they way he has - its incomprehensible to me the level of incompetence hes shown and continues to show, and he was bad enough before. on top that there is just nothing to even suggest this is all a nefarious plot from china, and people have been warning for years of something like this happening, and will likely happen again. the people pushing this idea all seem to be of the same camp who think 'no worse than the flu', that we should all go and spit in each others mouths, and if people die they die and grandpa is volunteering for death because blessed be the shareholders. it shifting the blame for their own inaction and callousness and selfish ignorance of not comprehending the scale of this because they themselves are not ill or in particular risk.
there was/is a dearth of solid information initially and there is still much we do not yet know about this thing, that misinformation is rife, in America its even spread by your own government. the Chinese government are arseholes. this is known, but the things that make them arseholes concern human rights and efforts to increase its power and influence globally. its not because they are bond villains.
disease has been fact of life for as long as there has been life, it always will be. and despite our best efforts and whatever steps we take to minimise the spread and harm that they can do its almost random why one person come down with a disease and another doesn't, why one person lives and another dies. it can be terrifying to dwell on the unfeeling randomness of it all, that an evil government releasing a man made virus might seem comforting, its not random but a deliberate act, and at least someone is in control. but it just muddies the waters, its more uncertainty.
coldly looking at what we do know, or least a good idea of, will tell you that the death rates, even at the higher end, make death still a rarity for most people. we have got a handle on how to stop or at the very least, reduce the chances of own infection - wash your hands, social distance - things you are likely already doing. focus on what you can do and not on whats out your hands. if you are largely healthy now, then your demise is not imminent. and if you come down with something, the chances are good it wont to bad. theres just a good a chance you've already had it. you cross the road veryday without getting hit by a bus. once in while someone does get hit. sucks to be them. be even worse if its you. but you take precautions and live your life, not worry about getting rundown by a truck. it hasn't happened yet, and if it does, by then its out of your control. AMassiveGay (talk) 15:03, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I did not say it was definite, I just said I would not put it past them. It is the same government that happily runs over their own citizens with tanks and ethnically cleanse their own people. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 17:02, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
But the question still stands. "To what end?" Hanlon's Razor The problem is mismanagement in government, the only silver lining is governments and citizens are learning that sanitization is a huge public work, humanity has had to rework it several times because viruses and bacteria travel with us. The stories about communities panic buying toilet paper and flushing butt-wipe alternatives are a really good example of a misunderstanding of public sanitation. Nobody is flushing strips of old tee shirts because they "understand" what is going on. Nobody bought a shelf of toilet paper because they "understood" what is happening. I'm just saying, we have a chance to get a hold on a virulent strain and look at it from a 2020 perspective. We also have systems in place to keep people alive like never before. Keep calm and carry on, we have nothing to fear but fear itself, those weren't phrases that meant "just go out and party." They were carefully stated after clear information was given on how to move forward in a time of war, which was somehow more familiar and acceptable than what we've got now with pandemic. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 03:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
To what end indeed. The progression of the virus has been unpredictable and dependent on a vast number of chance factors and decisions. The Chinese response itself initially had all the hallmarks of confusion, denial and incompetence. Very similar to what happened in the rest of the world.
There will probably be a significant recession at the end of this which means that all China's trading partners will be buying less stuff from it. This vast drop in trade will certainly not be offset by the sale of additional medical ventilators and face-masks.
So, apart from the fact that there is no shred of evidence they actually were responsible for the deliberate creation of the virus, why would they do it?Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 10:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
I did not actually say they did, I just said I would not put it past them. As for a motive I do not know but I read an article (from an actual news source) about biosecurity mismanagement on China's end. http://news.yahoo.com/suspected-sars-virus-and-flu-found-in-luggage-fbi-report-describes-chinas-biosecurity-risk-144526820.html --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 17:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I feel like this is getting a bit out of hand. Both RationalZombie and Massive are right: it´s obviously not a lab-made biological weapon or anything like that. There are more mundane reasons for it, which I believe these are; the biosecurity mismanagement and/or neglect, cuts in social welfare and public health, the fact that this isn´t the first time something like this happens in a Chinese market (the SARS virus of 2003 came from bats too), lobbying the Chinese government to keep the trade of several species such bats as food for market gain, unregulated health standards for the livestock... Apparently they pack the animals all together in the same cages, for fuck´s sake!

But that´s the problem with, who ever the hell this guy is: you guys are probably used to it by now (or maybe not, idk which is worse), but the comment section was filled with beauties like "9/11 was inside job these people (reptilians I guess) have no limits!", "If Youtube bans this video, it´s because it´s true, the `truth` hurts, right?" and also my fav: "And to think Hitler was fighting against this Elite..." @Rationalzombie94, of course the Chinese government doesn´t give a shit; did they they gave a single one when the first cases came out? NO, they wanted everything "to go back normal". Maybe it´s a bit off topic but the way I see it at least, they barely seem to give a single one in Europe and in South America things have gone tits up, not to mention millions of U.S people with President Trump. They´ll continue to make cuts in public health and welfare even after this to pump more GDP and private wealth, I´m sure. Then again, Trump and Europe aren´t exactly keep a score on you, unlike China.

TL;DR? Those who thought this is was exaggerated (like I did!) are now paying for it and this idiot of 2010 is making hundreds of viewers swallow a bunch of bullshit and it´s not good part 28242365. Blaze_Zero85.58.203.69 (talk) 22:39, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

we can expect to hear more of this as lockdowns continue and deaths continue to rise. but its already clear where we will see it, where we are already seeing it. not 'china made it a lab' nonsense, that too, but that china is to blame more generally. the more populist governments of the world, the trumps, the orbans, the bolsonaros of the world are already at it, getting the bogeyman in place so people can focus their anger on that and not at their own governments failures in its handling of the situation, at its own shortcomings in healthcare, and its own partisanship. china is already seen with fear and suspicion, and it goes well with existing anti immigrant sentiment. trump and co particularly will want to pin all blame china if things get as bad as predicted less it highlights the utter failure of a capitalist system like the us has in dealing a situation like this.
apportioning blame at this point is not useful nor is the kind of blame that lays all that has happened on one party. its an unprecedented situation which is requiring action that most would not want to take if at all possible, if they can even take the required actions at all.
china was too slow and secretive early on likely missing the chance if there was one of containing it. when it couldn't ignore any longer it acted swiftly and decisively and the rest of world could see what was coming. much of which has acted just as slowly china did, perhaps hoping it would blow over, wouldn't be that bad. the rest of world could hardly locked down their countries as quickly and tightly china did, no liberal democracy could. death rates in varying countries validate the quicker response now, but early on? economically this will sting. a wait and see approach was inevitable, especially for places like the uk where a situation like this meticulously planned for, but actual funding and resources where never apportioned.
I don't feel blame is the right response to any of this. a slowness to act is understandable, and any systemic failures that come to light should looked at so next time this happens we can be ready.
the model here is south korea, and Singapore. they knew what to do, when to do it and had the resources. they were prepared. but for them it wasn't unprecedented. they've been through this before with sars, and learned from it, like the rest of us will have to do. not convinced we will though. its a lot easier to blame china and continue as nothing has happened.
the only truly risible responses to all that has happened is those who despite warnings, despite all evidence they ignore and downplay it all, spread misinformation, even as this virus begins to ravage their own countries. you know I have trump in mind there, but I don't just mean him.
as an aside, how this all being dealt with other parts of the world, where they are less able to able to do anything, even with foreknowledge? I haven't seen anything about any African countries and ive just started hearing about india the other day AMassiveGay (talk) 14:09, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Bad biosecurity measures seem to be the cause and by proxy- China is at fault for biosecurity mismanagement and not bioterrorism. Now there are people here in the US attempting to spread it intentionally and they are being charged with a various felonies such as bioterrorism. China's censorship of the situation made it much worse when it could have been contained. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 17:49, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
the situation in china with these wet markets made this all the more the probable, but that's not say it wouldn't have happened without it. people have been warning something like this could happen for years and there is no telling when or where the next one will start. chinas initial reaction of 'nothing to see here' is not a whole lot different from a lot of our own responses to it. and that's point. we can heap as much blame onto china as we like but it doesn't absolve of us our own reactions. compare south korea, where they were on top of this at outset to the uk to the us to Italy. with more time to prepare, theres been a slow muddled approach with a chronic lack of vital resources and we can count the cost of our unpreparedness in human lives. that's not chinas doing, that's on us. for the record, the swine flu that was going round 2009 infected more people than the Spanish flu (thankfullu not as deadly) and that was first recognised in mexico. it doesn't matter where it started. we were not prepared. AMassiveGay (talk) 19:06, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
But it true the the Chinese government is partially responsible due to their government system and/or policy; notice the partially. They were too secretive, like you say and not only to the public. Whatever faults the U.S or Europe or South America has, I believe the damage would have been even worse if communication was like in China. And I am also pessimistic about learning the lesson, in the future the vaccines will cure us of this virus, but whether it´s the Chinese state/corporations or not, no one in power will learn from this. Those markets will stay and no government will check on their livestock to check any diseases. Otherwise, it´s true that because of cuts in medical resources, slow planning and indifference, we fucked up unlike South Korea; and it is true that China later response has been better in stopping the spread. If it consoles you Massive, in countries like Spain there is more solidarity with the Chinese. If only because the media shows images of them giving away masks to the cops and they get shipments and doctors from there, so not everyone swallows the racist propaganda on a large scale. BTW @Rationalzombie94, is that part bioterrorism real??? Blaze_Zero85.58.203.69 (talk) 19:45, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
regarding the bioterrorism - as far I can tell its arseholes licking things, spitting at people, and coughing in peoples faces because that's super funny right now ad they pricks. some of them have been arrested with anti terrorism legislation. AMassiveGay (talk) 19:57, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
For bioterrorism, okay... Is it just people being arses or were they politcally motivated and organized, I wonder? Blaze_Zero85.58.203.69 (talk) 16:27, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
there is also a story about some white supremacists discussing an idea that if they were to be infected they would be obligated to spread it to non white neighbourhoods. it seem it was just talk though AMassiveGay (talk) 16:46, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
And hopefully it stays that way. Fucking hell, just what we needed... Blaze_Zero85.58.203.69 (talk) 12:50, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Anarchism sandbox[edit]

I've finished my draft for the changes in the anarchism article. I took the criticism and added more information, If no one opposes I will be transfering the changes from the sandbox to the article.

BTW, can I add a image? I read the help images page and aparently I just need to add the source. The image is public domain.Tuxer (talk) 17:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

A "Charity" that smuggles Bibles into places where it is illegal to own one[edit]

http://secure.opendoorsusa.org/secure/i-want-provide-bibles-strengthen-persecuted-christians-their-faith?initcid=1907SMPF&initpkg=1907SMPF-FB2&cid=7010b000001kZRoAAM&pkg=a150b0000045C2YAAU&utm_campaign=mw_795_31677_071_july-digital_20190717__1907smpf&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=ad&mwm_id=6149584658071&fbclid=IwAR0BUSSJOnBW2vMbA2cGNqga8wUUtY4IkurRwP9EruXXiI9wxUx1fivBAm4

Open Doors is the name and it is perfect for a new article. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 00:39, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

The remnants of my soul that are still liberal say "Maybe don't ban books?" ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 12:59, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Goodpost.gif Bongolian (talk) 18:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I've got you[edit]

deep in the heart of me.... Oxyaena Harass 07:39, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
if you had a tattoo of the lyrics, you could say "I've got I've Got You Under My Skin under my skin."

DDOS attack[edit]

A distributed denial-of-service (DDOS) attack is when too many people (usually bots) are going to one website, resulting in it not being available. And now, literally every website I go to is blocked. It's just paranoia being paranoia.Jeh2ow Damn son! 12:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes that's paranoia. There aren't enough computers on the internet to DDOS every server. More likely your ISP is failing you. Some failing gateway or slow DNS, probably. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 13:01, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Probably the tens of millions of users sitting in front of their computers watching Netflix and cat videos are filling up the tubes.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 14:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Fox News & M4A[edit]

I just watched this on youtube. What is it with Fox and their hatred towards a better healthcare system?

On a sidenote, is Fox always bitching about "evil socialism"? Most of those news bars during those clips... 2A02:1812:2C66:D000:9D92:477B:2C9:F198 (talk) 13:01, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

That's not a sidenote, that's an explanation: "better healthcare system" = "evil socialism" in Foxworld. Bongolian (talk) 18:32, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Next up: free school lunches and paid sick leave is gonna be "evil socialism" in the world of Murdoch.Jeh2ow Damn son! 23:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

It almost seems like Fox wants an oppressive hierarchical system where the poor and middle class get treated like shit with poor privatized health care that favors the wealthy(I'm being sarcastic they definitely want that) St.~Emi (talk) 21:21, 30 March 2020 (UTC)St.~Emi

A new controller[edit]

Would anyone have a recommendation for a universal video game controller that works with both the Nintendo switch and the PS4 because my right joy con broke(still works) and my PS4 controller still works but its a little messed up and I've been considering getting a new controller for a while but I'm not sure what to get. Preferably one that's not that big and with the joy sticks right next to each other because my hands are not that big(I just have a bad experience with Xbox style controllers)~Please, and thank you! St.~Emi (talk) 22:18, 30 March 2020 (UTC)St.~Emi

What connection with RW? Perhaps you should ask [3]. Anna Livia (talk) 23:01, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I thought this was a place for general chatter and please I also don't enjoy being joked with St.~Emi (talk) 23:05, 30 March 2020 (UTC)St.~Emi
they are all broadly similar, im sure there some designed for smaller hands. as long as they are robust enough to not fall apart in your hands. amazon is the probably as good as bet any for range and ease of browsing andcomparison from one to other. consult reviews for specific brand/information.
also my xbox controller is not compatible with my switch, so theres that. AMassiveGay (talk) 23:20, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I got a knockoff SNES style 8BitDo to play fighting games on my PC after I had a good PlayStation style controller d-pad collapse under the weight of BlazBlu, and for some reason my knockoff is not compatible, even directly connected, with a huge number of games. It hasn't got any autos or extra buttons, maybe controllers need a green light chip to work with big games. Printer Ink cartridge refills needed special chips until recently. I kinda just gave up Rocket League over it. I find it remarkable that I had really bad drift in my Nintendo Joy-Cons after too much SFII, then I got one software update and it was more or less fixed. Still need new Joy-Cons, but I'd say look for trusty ones, a controller is not hard to build anymore and the knockoffs are trouble. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 01:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
So now I'm thinking of getting an adapter for my switch and a GameCube style or Wii classic controller because I had both of those for my Wii when I was a kid and loved them. Maybe even one of those wireless GC style controllers so I don't have to have an adapter. St.~Emi (talk) 02:09, 31 March 2020 (UTC)St.~Emi
The wired GC style I played with was top notch. I went looking around town with a friend for original GC controllers, nobody had them, they are a hot commodity. Switches are going for an extra 100 or so on Amazon, so you're lucky to already have one. So, we bought Switch-adapted wired GC controllers with a Mario and Peach theme, Link and Luigi were sold out. They are legit. But we bought them to specifically to play Smash and, boo social distancing, I left mine at his apartment. I don't dock anyway, no big deal. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 03:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm really leaning towards a wireless GameCube controller for my switch but I still really want to play with the Wii classic controller I wish they'd make a newer version of that and maybe port some of the GameCube/Wii games to the switch that'll bring back memories of gaming from my childhood because I've been dying to play old Wii games St.~Emi (talk) 04:26, 31 March 2020 (UTC)St.~Emi
I'm not really sure how a wii classic controller would work without some kinda infrared thing. Unless you're talking about some other version of Wii controller besides the controller and nun-chuck attachment. My parents got a Wii for Super Mario Galaxy and Tiger Woods Golf, and some Disney game that my mom just called "Mickey," it was not Kingdom Hearts, but I really didn't play any Wii games besides on occasion Brawl at some peoples' places, which was always on original GC controllers. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 04:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Fuck Todd Starnes and these hospital conspiracy people[edit]

I'm so happy that these fucking grifter scum like Todd Starnes are trying to get fucking idiots to go harass hospitals about why the fucking parking lots are empty. Gee, maybe when you order literally every person you possibly can to stay away, there's a surprising lack of people and cars, and people who get admitted with COVID-19 aren't driving themselves to the hospital. Jesus fuck. This asshole makes more money than me. This fucking prick who's endangering people, by encouraging people to either disregard this as an emergency and a threat to their safety and our collective safety, along with encouraging dumbfucks to go out and film fucking hospitals. Honest to god, it's impressive people manage such bright optimism at all. Hell, I don't know how I maintain the amount of optimism I do have...--NavigatorBR (Talk) - 00:10, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Given the current circumstances, and the diminishing likelihood this will get better anytime soon, what I can't understand is why you are optimistic at all. This is the USA- why is "dumb conspiracy theorist puts lives in danger, makes more money than honest worker doing so" even a surprise?-Flandres (talk) 00:41, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
(Reply to Flandres) Well, I was referring to general optimism, not optimism about this specific situation. This situation is going to be brutal. Anyone who has optimism about this situation defies logic in my view. I've honestly had to consistently resist just making my WIGO in COVID-19 posts being completely bleak. Also can't say I'm surprised, but- You know what. No, this conspiracy theory is a new level of fucking stupid. This one somehow is a new fucking low.--NavigatorBR (Talk) - 01:04, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Actually, I WAS referring to general optimism-in fact, given that Israeli scientists might have a chance of getting a vaccine out in the next couple months and if Biden wins at least his coronavirus polices are better than those of Trump, this is one of the few things that could get better. The general vibe that we are living in the last days of Rome will not. Also is this theory really dumber than a gunman invading a pizzeria to show that Hillary Clinton is a satanic pedophile?-Flandres (talk) 01:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm angry too. I'm not raking in cash from snake oil media either, and I agree, these fucking grifters are using the mainstream media's faults as cover for their pseudojournalistic endeavors, and it's working on people. I'm angry too, and the fucking conspiracy theorists have always been frustrating, because they don't ask real questions, they lead for answers they already want to have. And that's a fucking frustrating thing with people. Here's my impression "If the Twin Towers fell straight down at freefall speeds, either the earth is flat or 9-11 never happened. Or, obviously both." You can't reason with these people because they really, really don't want to reason. You can absolutely sell them a bunch of bullshit, though. And I mean sell in the most literal terms. I had hope that Gen-X would end marketing, but the beast rears its head again with millennials, branding, and we legitimized something so fucking devastating, self-branding, that now we can't even see branding because it's our made up friends who speak for us via social media, it's only being called out when it bleeds back in to liminal advertising. Drink a Pepsi and hug a cop or whatever, because Pepsi is mad too but only because nobody is agreeing that we all love Pepsi.
This charlatanism only works because people are primed and eager for it. They already don't want to believe in the severity of the situation but are still stressed about it, they already think the media they don't like are liars bu5 listen to the media to find lies and reinforce that view, they already think fatalistically but also dismiss the idea that people will not die from a direct impact of this. They think this is phony, inevitable, and what they are doing versus what they are saying is unjustifiable garbage. So let's ask ourselves, if we don't believe it and we're not afraid of catching it, but we look around and EVERYBODY is stressed about it, then how do we act? It's not about a fear of catching the virus for almost anybody. It's a duty to not spread the virus, and we are doing duty to each other. Nobody isn't stressed out. Some people still have to go out and do their jobs.
uuuugh, just to clarify, while proofreading I read this rhetoric the same as "look out for the gays and HIV, abstinence is the cure" so just to head that off, it is an exact argument against supporting bad faith information. This doesn't spread most effectively via sex, so that's not a limit that really gives governance a chance to brush off the severity of the issue with useless information. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 02:37, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
(Reply to Flandres) I think I have to have some form of optimism for the future, because if I don't then that will cause some serious issues for my emotional well-being/maintaining basic functionality in society. Also, as to the 'Is it dumber than PizzaGate', imagine when we get some fucking gunman invading a hospital trying to understand why the visitor's parking lot is completely empty, after weeks of hospitals screaming at everyone to stay the fuck away unless you're dying. It feels slightly dumber than PizzaGate. Slightly.--NavigatorBR (Talk) - 15:46, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
I would actually be curious how much Z-grade grifters like Todd Starnes really make. Since Todd has a bit of a national audience, it's probably "not nothing", but it seems like the conspiracy bozo doo-dah landscape is pretty crowded these days. It takes no talent to dress up in a suit and babble about Real American Christian values and babble through the Conspiracy of Everything (though it takes a special sort of brain space to be too extreme for Fox News and get fired from that cushy gig, as Todd has). The dark, depressing "consolation prize" of this game is that a large bundle of the conspiracy crowd is precisely in the demographic category most at risk for actually dying from COVID-19, and, well, Darwinism will be Darwinism. So, in conclusion, be sure to "socially distance" yourself from any visible MAGA-tard (or even worse, the Q folk) I guess. Frankly I'm way more concerned about national leaders that act like idiots during this crisis (Trump, of course, but even Donald Trump is looking like a high IQ genius compared to Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro.) 72.184.174.199 (talk) 14:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Asked about shutting off borders with Bolsanaro's Brazil, Trump said maybe, got in an argument, somebody said "I know you don't like the question, but" and Trump claimed the questions were fair and for the first time ever wow, good, but the people asking them weren't good, they are still bad, argued that the question was good and the person asking it should shut up, said "yes" and went on a rant about how good the questions actually were, attacked the press for sitting distantly, hinted that they shouldn't do press meetings at all if they were so worried about the virus, and then compared Brazil to Iran, which Iran apparently had a default travel ban and now it's double? I can't even listen to live shit without saying "you know what, it's not about that, it's about being a fucking American, and this President ain't it." The people who say Trump is being taken out of context and justified in his constant/casual attacks on journalists are dipshits. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 02:56, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Have an idea: Disabled Lives Matter[edit]

Not intended to diminish the issue of race and police brutality at all. Physically and mentally handicapped people are targeted by the police besides African-Americans.

Just seems like that the disabled who are targeted by police get largely ignored by media thus get less public attention. I could be wrong on the media exposure part (correct me if I am wrong). The main point is the broad amount of groups targeted by police.

As for seemingly less attention, many people with disabilities are still discriminated by society despite civil rights protections. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 01:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

There is a history of police violence to the Mentally ill or a perceived mental illness and often using it as an excuse to send people to mental hospitals where they will be treated inhumanely when they may not even have a mental illness. This does tie into the political abuse of psychiatry as historically there is political abuse of psychiatry in the US that involves police violence not so much today(explicitly anyways) but the prison population the US is disproportionately mentally ill so I think that says a lot. I should also say that an extremely common diagnosis is schizophrenia and related disorders as police violence victims. And also a diagnosis that is used around the world as political abuse and it is incredibly stigmatizing to those who actually have it considering it is a debilitating and highly misunderstood disorder and a lot of the crimes that are related to it are drug related. That also says a lot. St.~Emi (talk) 02:02, 31 March 2020 (UTC)St.~Emi
Wear blue on April 2, baby! Not a cop benefit. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
im not sure 'disabled lives matter' would be a complete accurate description. while I can see mental health and/or handicap would have a bearing on the how the police approach a situation (target is perhaps not correct), I can imagine with your very shooty police not well, physical disabilities encompass a lot of mobility, hearing and sight difficulties that are probably not so problematically handled.
in terms of media exposure, they do I think get some, if something goes wrong and there is a death, but its usually a lot different than when a black guy is shot to death for example. public perception is much different when viewing another racially motivated police murder, with a huge awareness of race relations, and many advocacy groups to highlight injustices. I would at the very least be seen as controversial. someone with mental health issues, perhaps in crisis, killed by police? at best it would be seen as over reaction from police without the relevant training to handle such cases. or will be seen as a dangerous loon who needed killing, the police should be commended. or apathy with some random nutter probably asking for it. without mobile phone footage to show egregious behaviour on the part of the police, or family to kick up a stink and draw attention, it'll be reported but it wont make the headlines. its more a societal issue than a strictly police problem. how are mental health issues seen generally, how are they managed, what provisions and uniformly are they applied across communities?
in the uk, issues police and people with mental health issues is largely about over the use of force and restraining such people. police are more likely to restrain forcibly and are quicker to do so than with people with no mental health issues. there have been some deaths in custody. its also true that in these cases where someone is in a mental health crisis its often not easy to deal with, with a lack of training/confidence to be able to effectively talk down or and deescalate such situations highlighted as the issue. the solution has been 'street triage' where a mental health professional accompanies officers on a call.
now the main issue is that the police are called more and more for mental health emergencies that are not really police matters. mental services have been starved of funds like everywhere in the NHS, but probably even more so. its not really a question of people sectioned unnecessarily, but that primary care is so broken that the required actions to prevent crisis in the first place is absent or woefully inadequate. if things have deteriorated to the point sectioning is needed, at least they will get needed treatment, which isn't happening when left to primary care or within the community. some context
the uk's issues here can be dealt with largely by adequate funded of mental health services, with a look at police procedures and training where necessary. not necessarily an easy fix, but there isn't anything radical or likely produce push back. societally, mental health issues while not perfectly perceived by the wider public, there has been a strong push of late from health professionals and in media concerning better mental health and understanding in general. I am optimistic that at the very least any serious issues are at least being considered.
the us? I cant really speak with much authority or much knowledge, but im inclined to believe its some wha more messy, what with the American health service being what it is. maybe the mental health parts are fine, or available to those with no insurance. I don't know. I am aware the police in the us are very resistant to change. resistant to accepting responsibility or any criticism at all, but maybe if that criticism is less severe than of its racism, they wont have the same bunker mentality and wold actually look at fixes when problems arise with their handling of mental heath. again, I cant say. improving perceptions of mental health generally? public discourse is so polarised and toxic that someone gaining a new understanding of things has someone else becoming more entrenched and hostile to anything remotely useful, and likely all will split along the same con/liberal lines of everything else. even it effects people from across the board. but still, I cannot really say. AMassiveGay (talk) 14:31, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Conspiracy critique[edit]

Can someone please help me critique this site it has obscure ideas as well as a strange political compass that seems to be socially conservative and pushes racial IQ bullshit but is economically leftist. It pushes a "Liberal CIA" conspiracy meaning that the liberal party aka the Democrats control the American media and numerous other things it also has an opposing "conservative CIA" conspiracy theory. I can't critique anything beyond it making loose connections between things and the fact that it fails to look at the whole picture. I should also mention that it has numerous conspiracies about child abuse cases by elites that I cannot validify because I know nothing about it. http://isgp-studies.com/index St.~Emi (talk) 12:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)St.~Emi

If it looks like a shitty website, it is a shitty website. Also, they think that leftism supports eugenics and has a whole page dedicated to talking about random think tanks so they can blame everything on the Rothschild family. It's just Infowars, only it fails to look in any way compelling.Jeh2ow Damn son! 21:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
'Too many conspiracies listed' (what is the relevant version of point 1 on Tips for evil cult members at [4]? Points 9 and 10 of the Tips for the Trusted Lieutenant also apply). Anna Livia (talk) 10:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
@Jeh2ow Which site are ya talking ‘bout?—Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 11:01, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
the one in opening post.
it seems to largely focus on one world government/illuminati, with a lot of racist/anti immigrant stuff. nothing really out of the ordinary for that kind thing. nothing that hasn't been said before in one form or another. the liberal cia vs conservative cia thing is likely the conservative stuff is based on conspiracies going back to the 50s when the cia was in the business of toppling leftist regimes. the liberal cia thing is something akin to deep state, and now instead of toppling Marxists, it's stirring up minority groups ie. non white/immigrants, lgbt, 'extreme' feminist, because this splits the white vote and black people vote for who they are told. its all connected, because elites, and they had a hand in literally everything.
its apparently the work of one guy, who I cant tell where they are from or based, if that would be have enlightening. not keen on alex jones though. so theres that. this thread is likely the most attention they have ever had, so a deeper look is probably not required AMassiveGay (talk) 11:21, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
The "one guy" is Joël van der Reijden from The Netherlands. There is quite a bit that is wildly wrong (Bohemian Grove is listed as a "liberal NGO", Comet Ping Pong is described as a "homosexual and heterosexual sex club of some sort at night") not to pursue any further, particularly since this guy seems to have an obsession with racialism and sex (especially child sex). 72.184.174.199 (talk) 13:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
all these conspiracy theory require child sex rings these day. sexual deviance goes way back as a evidence that someones a wrong un. people can take or leave the political intrigue, its all very abstract. but tell them what the illuminati like to put their dicks in, and watch the self righteous rage explode. the templars where branded homosexual when they were dealt with. but gayness isn't shocking anymore, but so child abuse is to go to indicator of evil for made up conspiracies. its not just their politics that dodgy, but they fundamentally evil, the slightest and spurious indication and there are child sex rings. unless you like them, then they could be caught balls deep in a toddler and everyones overreacting AMassiveGay (talk) 14:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
There's a horror story I could tell about a local murder trial gone horribly wrong, accused was a former state trooper, and yeah: child abuse is the accusation you make when nothing else will stick. But I could easily see how to some right wing mindsets the CIA might seem a sinister hotbed of evil liberalism. People who work for the CIA are probably highly educated, are likely to know several languages, and many travel a lot outside the country. That's enough for very many. Smerdis of Tlön, wekʷōm teḱsos. 03:30, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Fucking magnets, how do they really work?[edit]

Ultracrepidarianism in action: "Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device"[5] The hospital should have played Insane Clown Posse for him while he waited in his hospital room, but from the photo, it looks like he didn't have much of a sense of humor. Bongolian (talk) 19:28, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Juggalo family, Juggalos don't die. Getting a magnet stuck up your nose trying to save humanity is so Juggalo, I don't think you even know. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 03:36, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
To be fair, the title does not match the story. He tried to invent a device, did it the wrong way around and gave up on it. Then he started fiddling with magnets out of boredom and put them up his nose, at that point he wasn't inventing a device anymore, he was just doing stupid things out of boredom. 2804:431:C7F2:C2CA:FD85:842E:1AD8:C43E (talk) 20:11, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
So Juggalo you don't even know. Whoop whoop. Attack is pretty high on that mix, turn your volume down before clicking, the closed snare is already mixed forefront. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 02:25, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Returning to YouTube[edit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmgvwZtDZ0A&lc=z23jin4i2mi2utvf2acdp43asqletdxclu55xdryeolw03c010c

Not my best work ever as there are tech issues I need to resolve. Making videos was something that I enjoy so I am returning although I am not getting mixed into any communities. Already got screwed once. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 22:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Rationalzombie94 I am a novice creator. Any tips.—Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 10:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Try to share any videos where possible, use as many tags to make your video more visible and interact with commentators as much as possible. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 12:20, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
@Rationalzombie94Thank you.—Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 18:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

discord fail[edit]

anyone on the discord please tell the discord that the saintblewhisbrains person is me i keep trying to communicate through gifs its clearly not working i can't send messages its a long story as to why im using another account thank you St.~Emi (talk) 00:13, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

The myth that the Charlie Hebdo virgil was White Nationalist[edit]

A lot of people apparently still think that the Charlie Hebdo massacre was faked so we could all hate Muslims. I remember being at the virgil, and it was everything but an attempt to hate Muslims. Several speakers at the virgil were Muslims, and said that freedom of speech should apply to everyone. I believe that censorship is unnecessary and that freedom of speech and expression should be universal, even if it can sometimes be dangerous. Yes, I know total fuckheads like Geert Wilders wanted to point to Muslims that had nothing to do with terrorism, but how would we feel if someone was murdered by Catholics due to a gross caricature of the Pope and something to do with child sex abuse? We would feel the exact same. We just pin fear on everyone involved with a race/sex/religion/orientation/etc. when only a few people actually did the crime. That's a heavy cognitive bias that we've had since pretty much 9/11.Jeh2ow Damn son! 00:18, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

"A lot of people" who? Never heard that one. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 00:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Addressing the Elephant in the Room on 01 April[edit]

It's still April 1st in America, as I'M STILL GOING TO CALL IT 04/01/2020. It is important to me, personally, but I know you dirt limey imperialst bastards want to format the day/month/year thing yourselves, and I absolutely despise you for it, but I have a reason for it. For one, well, I already said it, so for two let's address the metric system.

The Metric System, a total fabrication of the French Revolution, in and of itself proves that the rest of the world is GARBAGE AND INSANE. A foot, and I mean a REAL foot, the actual FOOT, is better broken up into 12 increments, not this hoity toity ooh lal-a French Revolution system. Can you believe they actually tried and failed to reinvent the calendar? February only has 28 or 29 days, that's a FACT. If God, or the natural order, or whatever you want to call it WANTED us to have measurements we could understand, water would freeze at 0 degrees Fahrenheit and boil at 100 degrees Fahrenheit.

But we, in America, don't care about your silly notions of pure water measurements. We have a brine solution and an appropriate TEMPERATURE. We have a GALLON split into 16 ounces, which is also, conveniently, a WEIGHT measurement, we have distance measured as FEET, which if you've ever actually opened a history book and read Cinderalla, the King's foot must be EXACTLY 12 INCHES LONG. It's not hard to understand. It's more accurate.

Now, you might disagree with me and Tucker, but you are missing the big picture here. The point is, it worked yesterday for America, what do European countries like Canada know? They know how to steal your money. God save our feet, and God bless us all. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 01:26, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

So let's talk about liquids being 8-16-32-64 oz and why that happened. It wasn't a number out of a hat. The actual reason was much simpler. A merchant with a simple balance scale could sell their gallon as 4 quarts without needing to know the density of the liquid or have a precise volume measuring tool. It's literally useless features like that that made the imperial system useful in the past. (Farenheit's personal will to cause harm aside) ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 01:40, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
That's the kind of lies, deceipt, libel, and slander I would expect from somebody when they are willing to stop using the Oxford Comma. When is the last time you used the Oxford comma? I just used it, when did you last use it? This is the exact kind of argument me and Tucker expect from the left. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 01:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
The question is - which person's body-parts? A baby's or an adult's? Which gallons - and I could use a pound weight of 12 'heavy ounces' etc, etc, etc.
Water freezes/boils at 0/100 degrees centigrade (and 'whatever it is' in Reaumer) and a pound.
Given the standard number of fingers and toes bases 5/10/20 are far more practical - and the US uses base-10 for currency (a 'de-feet' of the argument). Anna Livia (talk) 12:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Well, a "de-feet" is probably the best way anybody could end this, but I was trying to April Fools a little bit. I don't like anybody getting actually upset. Now that it's not April Fools, I will point out that things in America cost $1.99 before tax. The real deals get them down to $1.87, that's about a 15% discount from an item that is for some reason not $2.00. But things in America are shelved and priced "before tax." The trick is, with so many 9s at the end, to imply "just over this many dollars" people will say "I have two dollars," but each state has a different tax rate. So for $1.87, You'll need one dollar, three quarters, a dime, and two pennies for the shelf price, easy. Until a 18% tax shows up and then you'll need to pay $2.19, which you'll need one extra quarter, 1 nickel, 2 pennies for, unless you pay with a 5 dollar bill, and then getting your change back is a thing. Let's count the change back up. 1 penny to get to 2.20, 1 nickel to get to 2.25, 3 quarters to get to 3.00, 2 more dollars to get to 5 dollars. I've worked a gas station counter, and they taught us all of this and how to count change back out loud because people will pay for something that's 2 dollars and some change and expect 3 dollars and some change back. And they do. And that's just how percentages work on a single item that's "just under 2 dollars." Gol Sarnitt (talk) 01:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Holy shit, I did the numbers wrong in my own thought experiment so many times. I didn't even have a line at the counter, I'm rusty af. I owe each of you guys a dime before this edit, I will put it towards the next RW funding campaign. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 01:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Appeal to unreliable data[edit]

Dear all,

I wonder whether a kind of (wrong) "appeal to unreliable data" argument has been already classified and has a common name.

Example of this kind of argument: "Covid-19 epidemic data are oscillating, biased, noisy, unreliable. It is totally useless information: thus I will not act". AgelinBee (talk) 08:07, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@AgelinBee Please. Still follow advise from reliable sources. Wash your hands and stay home.--Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 10:38, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
@Delibirda I don't get that. This is RationalWiki. We discuss about cognitive biases and logical fallacies. I'm asking about that.95.235.118.233 (talk) 10:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Did you talk about data or advise? (Like staying home)--Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 11:41, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
it is a question about formal logic - has this fallacy/argument an official name? the covid example was to highlight what they meant or the form such an argument would take. covid is not the topic.
im assuming you are maybe unfamiliar with formal logic and fallacies, and just how much everyone loves em. fyi if you really are unfamiliar with em. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:35, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Pretty sure it's just a specific case of appeal to personal incredulity ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 13:43, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes, my example can certainly be classified as a case of personal incredulity, but there is some more specific aspects in the case I'm pointing out. In particular the fact that one refers to "unreliable measurements". Some other example instance:

"Measures of blood pressure are oscillating too much. They depend on so many factors. They are unreliable. Thus, I will not act against what you call hypertension". "Calories estimates in food are just estimates. They are totally useless also because the effect of same intake depends from person to person. Thus I will eat whatever I want".95.235.118.233 (talk) 14:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

New video from Beau[edit]

Oxyaena Harass 13:46, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Synopsis: He tells religious leaders to livestream right now, because holding congregation is a virtual death sentence at the current moment. Oxyaena Harass 13:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
most already are. those that haven't its because of the mixed messages from all levels of government concerning churches and large gatherings specifically, and the virus in general. on top of that is the ego and fuckheadedness of some of the church leaders, who ramble on about making a stand over religious freedoms despite the them and us stance involves a 'them' that is an unthinking virus unmoved by such noble principle. most wont hold out too long though and they'll soon comply knowing their flock will have been moved by their strength and futility. they'll really appreciate it when grandma is coughing her last. there are one or to who really take self serving principle to a frightening degree. that pastor in florida for example encouraging parishioners to hug one and other, because they are not 'pansies'. hes 'excited and emotional' that this could be the end of days. “And if you die to be with Jesus, so what’s the problem?” but of course. they might have already shut up shop now though. not because of the virus, government crackdown, or just good sense. but because god told him to, and its lying attention whores that'll inherit the earth. the meek are pansies.
we've known about this since December and this is where we are at. AMassiveGay (talk) 00:12, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

How the rich are dealing with coronavirus.[edit]

Oxyaena Harass 14:16, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
They could at least donate some of that money for treatment, but in typical aristocrat fashion, they refuse to lose all that green.Jeh2ow Damn son! 17:11, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I find it interesting that we are constantly being told about the Covid 19 status of various rich folks, politicians, royalty, celebrates etc - while doctors and nurses actually working to fix the situation can't get tests. Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 17:17, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

they do enjoy telling us we are all in this together. they are having to self isolate too. in mansions and yachts. I feel for them.
I was well chuffed to other day at finding a couple of tins of baked beans for sale. that's four meals right there. in it together AMassiveGay (talk) 17:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Can I give the 4chan page bronze[edit]

I asked about it on the page's talk page, but nobody responded.--Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 17:16, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Sure. Those bastards still exist.Jeh2ow Damn son! 17:19, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
A lot more boomers there now though. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 17:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
@Delibirda How about improving the page, rather than just making it bronze? I see that you never edited it other than the bronze category. The reference formatting is awful, and for all we know, some of the links may not work. Have you checked this, for example? Bongolian (talk) 18:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Zionist Communism[edit]

Zionist Communism.jpg

I found this image on Gab. I mean, it's kinda right. Before it's declaration of Independence in 1948, Israel was Mandatory Palestine, a British mandate which was starting to get more and more inhabited by poor Jews, most from the Soviet Union. Developing a new political ideology in Labor ZionismWikipedia's W.svg, which was a mixture of social democracy and support for the existence of a Jewish state, for most of Israel's history it had been a heavily left-wing country, and it didn't end up more and more neoconservative until Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated and Ariel Sharon took power. Ironically, the guy who shot Rabin actually did a massive disservice to Israel as he made it essentially go into a downward spiral of more and more xenophobia. Back to the image, which also talks about claims that Jews are evil Marxists that wanna destroy the white race via funding more immigration. Obviously, this conspiracy theory is nothing more than flat out Bullshit. It's just the Alt-right being the Alt-right.Jeh2ow Damn son! 17:37, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

FWIW they did a much better job with Israel than they did with the Soviet Union. In fairness, the Soviet flag was unique back in 1917, but it had too many copiers. But the Israeli flag is unlike many others and uniquely identifiable, which is sort of what you want from a flag. Smerdis of Tlön, wekʷōm teḱsos. 17:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
im not really sure the point of this image beyond discrediting each by association with the other. a weak association at that, only really sharing being of the left. the evolution and implementation of them and where they are at today give them little in common.
'Ironically, the guy who shot Rabin actually did a massive disservice to Israel' do you think? I don't think there is anything ironic about it, and the Palestinians were done no favours either. AMassiveGay (talk) 19:46, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
It's the whole "every enemy of the united states is secretly the jews and all jews are secretly the enemies of the us" standard nazi bullshit. The complete disconnect from any sort of basic understanding of history is just part of being a nazi. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Chomsky on French Intellectuals[edit]

I was shocked to discover the theory of evolution was not accepted in France until well after WWII. French philosophy at the end of the 20th century?...meh.Ariel31459 (talk) 22:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Quote of a paraphrase here, not an out of context attack on Chomsky, but a joke he made about the dangers of a sensational use of philosophy, watch the whole thing if you think this is fire. "Bertrand Russel tells us to look for the truth, but the philosophers tell us there is no truth." I love it. It's a bit of a big attack on a specific societal approach to philosophy and die-hard cultural identity, which I think is a feature of most cultures. Resident Nihilist here. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 02:27, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes. Of course, the irony intended by Chomsky was another one of his examples of the isolation of French intellectuals. It is assumed, I think, the questioner whom Chomsky was quoting didn't realize Russell was a philosopher because, after all, Russell was not French.Ariel31459 (talk) 03:00, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
This is very shocking. I had not idea that French philosophy had such an influence on science at the time. As someone who is attempting to obtain a masters degree in creative writing, I can definitely see the influence of French philosophy on those types of departments in the US. I myself do not particularly like French philosophy (i.e.- Derrida, Foucault, etc.), so hopefully that does not affect my studies too much.Crazymantis91 (talk) 17:27, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, man, fuck Descartes. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Hooray for the 17th century.Ariel31459 (talk) 23:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Push back against Trump's use of the DPA etc?[edit]

I'm not American so don't follow what's going on that's well especially with the current craziness. But am I right that there's been limited pushback from the more mainstream conservative or even some parts of the main stream libertarianism, against the Trumps administrations use of the Defence Production Act and other such measures such as the DOJ pursing and confiscating hoarded supplies of PPE etc [6]? Or for that matter his support for compulsory lockdowns etc? I mean I know there was that earlier nonsense about re-opening after Easter pushed by some businesses and some parts of Fox News, but it doesn't seem that strong. I'm particularly comparing to what it would be like if Barack Obama of Hillary Clinton was in charge. Since I can't help but think if that were the case, there will be a lot of communism comparisons, claims that the president is destroying businesses, stealing supplies because they won't want to pay the market rate etc. I know there are the typical crazies e.g. those religious leaders. But I had a look at the Heritage Foundation for example, and didn't find much and I also haven't heard anything major from Fox News apart from the earlier stuff. I'm aware that there are plenty generally on the more left-wing side who don't think the president is using the DPA enough etc. Nil Einne (talk) 22:57, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, in the beginning, generally speaking, the states ruled under Republican governors (in addition to Trump himself) responded way too slowly to the virus, and there are a few Republicans last week that did the atypical "fuck the unemployed" dance you'd expect to try to halt the relief bill. But at this point, you are correct that most of the conservative wing today backs the current lockdown and aid measures as necessary, from what I see. The exceptions to this that I see are those so far into libertarian thought that any intrusion of "liberty" is a sin (see the ironically named Reason website, conspiracy hucksters (the Infowars crowd etc.), and the hack religious idiots you mentioned (those that think social distancing is for "pansies", Liberty University, etc.) -- the later not surprising given that it seems like hack religion has led to a *lot* of viral hotspots worldwide. But even the Fox News comment section is slamming hack preachers that think social distancing is for "pansies" these days, for the most part.72.184.174.199 (talk) 01:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
all the usual cheer leaders have been lock step with trump since the outset. now hes changed his tune because worst case through to realistic but maybe avoidable death tolls ranging from in the millions down to 200000, and with actual numbers rising fast, trump and his pals arnt stupid enough to stick with the 'walk it off' line. it looks bad and they've 'always taken this thing seriously'. as for the crazier exceptions still at it, i'm sure they get some benefit in their circles for strong, principled stances, and you cant put a price on the value added by a month or two jail time as a political prisoner AMassiveGay (talk) 20:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Found this article from the Unitarian Universalist Atheists and Agnostics[edit]

"If there is a God … As an agnostic, I'm definitely an atheist about some gods. But what kind of God might be possible?"

Interesting read. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 23:59, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Fixed the link. Bongolian (talk) 01:44, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Got in a big big fight with my mom[edit]

Over text. She wanted me to come over this weekend so she could talk to me face to face, I said no, she got big mad. I kept it to the "doctors, epidemiologists, and historians are saying containment of a virus only works when high risk carriers, like myself, who are still going to work every day and interacting with people, do not come in contact with high risk contractors, people at an older age with compromised immune systems, Mom. I absolutely won't do it." I got told I was putting work in front of family, got accused that I thought this face to face conversation was just going to be a confrontation, got told everything would have been fine if I just sat in the living room at a 6 ft distance and I didn't know what I was talking about and I'd be real sorry if either of us wound up on a ventilator and then we couldn't ever have conversations again. Like, Mom, you are talking to a guy you told to just do his own laundry and make his own lunch at the age of 5. You grounded me constantly from the ages of 8 to 18 and refused to discuss any terms about anything with me. Madame Boomer, I am now the same age you were when you had me, I am telling you we are all grounded right now and I am the God Damned best anybody's ever seen at living this way. And you want me to hear you out about how I should gamble on coming to see you because our relationship is special? Get real, oh ho remember that rebuttal? But no, I didn't say any of that, I just told her I'd call her on Saturday, when this wasn't a fight anymore. I'm not a monster. Will Smith was right, parents just don't understand. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 04:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Sometimes, our elders just suck. So I deal with it.Jeh2ow Damn son! 04:14, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Your mom can argue with the experts. Also, putting work in front of family? Such a sweeping statement for a special circumstance. No one should prioritize family over the rest of the community around you, that's freaking selfish and recklessly short-sighted. You did the right thing, and your mom's frankly an idiot who's giving you a hard time to... not spread germs around. She has to swallow her pride and maybe trust your judgment and decision making. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 06:02, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I miss my grandma, but she's best off in the nursing home. Oxyaena Harass 09:18, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I miss my Grandma, but I still think it was best sending her to prison. Steal my nose will ya! Cardinal Chang (talk) 17:20, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
What did she do? Hand out poisoned Halloween candy?𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 17:33, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
She's probably got Asperger's. I'm pretty primed for this conversation, I know my mom well, she's been my mom my whole life. I knew when I got the text about talking face to face I was about to have a fight, I know I inherited some ability to remember dreams from her, but the difference is I don't treat the dreams as reality. I think she probably had a dream, and she probably dreamed me dying again, which I've dealt with since my middle school days, and that's no good, when I was 13 she asked me what I want done with my body when I die, and the question hurt for a long time. My mom wants to be prepared to bury her son, she is probably terrified of death. Like, I just won't be there anymore, how shallow is your heart? To her credit, she didn't care about a lot of unreasonable things, I wasn't baptized, she let me watch TV and listen to music and play games that other parents were scared of, and I'm doing pretty well. She never lied about Santa or the Easter Bunny.. But she also once grounded me for asking if I could go to the next neighborhood to see a friend who moved. Like, literally a half hour walk or a 5 minute bike ride. But no, I had to cross a major street, at the age of 10 knowing exactly how to cross a street, and then I got grounded just for asking if I could do it, because obviously if the answer was no, I was going to do it anyway. Big criminal that I was at 10. This is the same friend who when I was 17 and driving my own car, I went to visit while I was grounded. His mom once covered for me because we were trying to make a board game, and I yes, I was grounded, granted, I lied to my mom I was at a speech competition, and his mom who was also a teacher. She walked into the living room, pale faced, and said "If you ever want to come into my house and play a board game, I won't tell your mom you're here." She does really well but when she wants to ecercise control of her situation, she gets very mean. Sorry for venting, I have to be prepared to not say this shit to my mom tomorrow. But no, she handed out goldfish crackers to the littlest ones last Halloween, she is smart and clever and compassionate, and cares about people, but the intense wave when it doesn't make sense to her has always landed on me. And I don't think the rest of the family is talking to her right now. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 01:51, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm still having the conversation with my mom, word, make me feel bad why don't you is bad faith. It's just on her terms again. But she's MY mom, co no harm no foul.Gol Sarnitt (talk) 03:09, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Test question[edit]

Name a flying dinosaur.--Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 09:42, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Fossils being transported in a plane? :) Anna Livia (talk) 12:20, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I meant a specific species.--Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 13:01, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
The red-tailed hawk. Oxyaena Harass 14:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
pterodactyl St.~Emi (talk) 15:46, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
You're joking, right?--Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 17:31, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Corvus brachyrhynchos. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:19, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Rodan. Kencolt (talk) 19:36, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Every bird on Earth.Tuxer (talk) 22:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

🐧?? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 23:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Not ostriches, emus or kiwis either. And probably a few more flightless birds that I either haven't heard of or can't remember. Spud (talk) 03:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Archaeopteryx lithographica. 192․168․1․42 (talk) 23:24, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Terror birdsWikipedia's W.svg, those are biggies. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 03:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Any dinosaur will become a flying dinosaur, however briefly, if launched at the right trajectory and acceleration. Smerdis of Tlön, wekʷōm teḱsos. 04:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
So how would one set up a flying Tyrannosaurus Rex/Diplodocus? Anna Livia (talk) 11:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Going to need a large catapult. Smerdis of Tlön, wekʷōm teḱsos. 15:56, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
The creatures are not aerodynamic in any sense (and would probably not survive).
Anyone care to develop the logistics of Jabba the Hutt and space travel/teleportation? Anna Livia (talk) 16:36, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

What do I want done with my body when I die?[edit]

This is a really nuanced question, and I wouldn't ask anybody to have a "correct" answer. This is especially hard because nobody gets to be responsible for their body after death.

I really want my body, no preservatives, just tossed out somewhere, like compost, It's really not that bad Gol Sarnitt (talk) 04:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I have made the arrangements to give my corpse to medical dissection or education, or for forensic testing, whichever wants it. I am sure the medical students will all gather around and point and laugh smugly at it. Smerdis of Tlön, wekʷōm teḱsos. 04:18, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
my dad insists we are forbidden to do anything with his body but wrap in a bin liner and put out with the rubbish. i'd go for something like that. it would only be a concern if I were asked on my death bed. I wont be paying for it, and while I still breathe I would not relish the idea of my near and dear spend any time or effort on what will amount to a eulogy cribbed from a greetings card and ashes sprinkled over the crematorium garden. my siblings are of the same mind. its only my mother who'd I expect might need something done. her family is huge and actually seem like they like one and other like some sort of...family. freaks. my younger brother can do it. hes the grown up. give me a date and a location, and i'll turn up in suit and try not to look bored.
when I do expire any official documentation will likely feature the phrase 'found dead in a ditch'. if no one IDs the body no one can palm it off on us. that. i want that done when I die. AMassiveGay (talk) 09:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I would rather have my body preserved in the fashion of Lenin, and I would also like my corpse to be clothed in magnificent regalia. Then people would honor it in ritual every day, reinforcing my own greatness. My body would also rest in a magnificent shrine, an amazing complex like those of the Timurid emperors and their Mughal descendants, a great and imposing necropolis that dominates the surrounding area like a palace in and of itself, with reliefs everywhere depicting my great victories and accomplishments. Everyone who went there would leave with the impression that I was the greatest man that ever lived. If you can't tell, I am very troubled, very arrogant, and very very ambitious.-Flandres (talk) 09:55, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I want my ashes put in firework which is shot into the sky and which explodes in a mighty bang and a flash. (I understand there might be some legal issues - in which case - sue me.)Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 15:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Draftspace articles[edit]

As per the discussion at "RationalWiki:Technical support#Drafts in search results", I have inserted the {{draft}} template into all the draftspace articles that did not already have such a template.

Please insert the {{draft}} template at the top of the page whenever you create a new draftspace article or move a mainspace article into draftspace.

Thank you. Bongolian (talk) 07:31, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft idea[edit]

Bearing as in the crank creator on YouTube.--Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 09:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

if that person I've never heard of has at least 1,000 subscribers, that should be OK. Spud (talk) 09:45, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
@SpudHe has circa 540k.--Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 09:48, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Phone masts attacked amid 5G/coronavirus conspiracy theory[edit]

FFS Avida Dollarsher again 14:09, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I hear electricity attracts the virus. Just look at the countries that are most affected! They have more electricity! Humans lived without electricity for thousands of years and were just fine. Now we have all these illnesses!
The thing that people would be scared about if they evaluated risks properly is it wouldn't be hard for a group of people to cause widespread blackouts if they wanted to. All you gotta do is blow up some critical power grid equipment, which is usually sitting in the middle of nowhere protected by nothing but some chain link fencing and barbed wire. Once destroyed it would take at least days to replace and get back into service. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 18:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I should start a rumor that radiation from cell phones, computers, TVs, and even good ol' fashion radio causes the coronavirus. That way, those prone to THE CONSPIRACY THEORY would throw away all these devices which have become hotspots of fast spreading bullshit, and spend all of their energy doing something more harmlessly dumb (like, say, wallpapering their house in tin foil to GUARD FROM THE EVIL RADIATION). Rumors, of course, will still spread because humans are awful and there will always be someone to try to exploit the naive, but it's slower to peddle bullshit over the postal services. 72.184.174.199 (talk) 18:51, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I blame hospitals. Have you noticed how most of the people who die from the virus die in hospitals? Coincidence? I don't think so.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 18:58, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
MRSA makes the hospital suggestion a little more plausible than it should be. as for phone/tv/radio/pc to dupe the gullible, watch the most hardcore of conspiracy theorists, who believe all the theories without hesitation, raise an eyebrow and stroke their chin for the first time ever at a conspiracy that would have real and direct consequences on their life. if 9/11 really was an inside job, it would likely make not a slight bit of difference to those making the claim, besides them becoming ever more insufferable. iPhone causing coronavirus? that's got the internet it. that's where they live. most folk would require some pretty damning evidence, and still probably wouldn't believe it. and I can sell you an electrobacterial repulsor shield for 50 quid. get em while stocks last and no it just looks like a shower cap. sure you want to risk it?AMassiveGay (talk) 20:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Something I saw in the park the other day[edit]

Though there is a stay in place order, people are allowed to go out for exercise like taking a walk. Now I always take walks in the park across the street.

Now here is what I saw- two people were trading supplies like in some post-apocalyptic TV show like the Walking Dead or The Strain! Stores are still open, there is still government and there is still mass communication systems. Didn't think the government collapsed nor telecommunication systems going offline.

What the fuck? What made the thing more hilarious was that one thing traded was a sack of seed corn. Can someone tell me when the apocalypse hit and decimated civilization? Someone drop me a line when nukes go off and dangerous gangs go killing people, okay. --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 18:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm working in a group home with at least 3 confirmed positive cases (I'm 4 days in and my health is holding out, I volunteered because I'm about as low-risk as is possible), and we're fortunate enough to have N-95 masks and gowns, but if it was necessary I'd resort to bartering for more in a heartbeat. Whatever works, I'm beyond caring too much at this point. Thankfully I don't see it coming to that here.. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:47, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Ive known people in my locale who have been bartering for, like, a week. Considering these are people who will not go to the store because they have no health insurance and cannot risk an infection I am not inclined to mock them. Furthermore when you mock the idea of collapse I cannot help but notice you have a very simplistic idea of what that is-that it must be a theatrical event like warfare or a rebellion or a black plague scale pandemic. It could very well just be people during a time of mass social disruption like this losing faith in the government and creating local organizations to solve their problems like lack of access to resources or healthcare. As these organizations become more powerful the USA becomes a failed state even though it still technically exists as it no longer meets the Westphalian definition of sovereignty.-Flandres (talk) 23:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

in the developed world, the us seems like the least able to meet the challenges this kind of thing presents, ideologically opposed to the actions required, with states bidding against each for supplies over pulling together or coordinated action, and a president seemingly drunk at the wheel. I guess the test will be, once the virus has run its course, how quickly a country can get back going again, whether it can jump straight back in where it left off, or if changes made will be profound AMassiveGay (talk) 23:41, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I mean, the uk was already in a process of fundamental change it self. then this and an uncertain future is even more so. the uk hasn't had a sense normality for years now. AMassiveGay (talk) 23:48, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I think that is something we can already answer. This election is shaping up to be between Biden and Trump. Trump would oppose any of the necessary reforms because they inflict short term loss on the plutocrat class and even in the long term a catastrophic breakdown, despite the fantasies of the left about eating the rich and whatnot, would be easily survivable for the wealthy. Biden will not because he has repeatedly said he thinks the problem is with Trump and his bad leadership not with the USA as a system. This is why so many lefties are mad at the election-the choice is between blatant evil and the proven unsustainable status quo. Any radical shift in policy is just not likely in the foreseeable future given the political climate.-Flandres (talk) 00:03, 5 April 2020 (UTC)